posted 10-11-2001 12:05 AM
I stumbled across a PS2 SCART connection whilst rumbling through some boxes at work. I'm pretty comfortable with the details for composite, S-video and component, but what is SCART? I do know that it is something used in Europe, but what sort of quality are we talking here? Is it worth me keeping this cable?
posted 10-11-2001 12:34 AM
SCART is bassicaly RGB isnt it? A competitor to Component I beleive... I run my PS2 component and you have NO idea how many jaggies I guet
quote:Originally posted by Vzzzbx: I've got one of those cables too. They're supposed to be excellent quality.
I'm buying a new telly soon, so if anyone can give me advice about a SCART capable TV, it'd be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for your input, you hijacking bastard.
But really guys, are there many SCART compatible TV's out in Australia? I don't ever recall coming across one before. What should I be looking for then?
quote:Originally posted by Candy Arse: Thanks for your input, you hijacking I don't ever recall coming across one before. What should I be looking for then?
A big bloody scart socket in the back of the telly doofus.
posted 10-11-2001 10:58 AM
I've only ever seen Euro TVs with SCART, Grundigs, Loewes etc. So i'm guessing that's what you'll want to pick up if you wanna use SCART.
quote:Originally posted by Sonic_Jam: SCART is bassicaly RGB isnt it? A competitor to Component I beleive... Stick to Composite
Dumbest assumption ever, newbie.
If your display device can support it, a component or RGB video connection will give you the best possible image from DVD. An S-Video connection is not far behind in quality. A composite connection is crap.
DVD connection standards in order of quality (my opinion!):
1st: Progressive Scan:
Output progressive scan YUV component video in the form of 3 BNC or RCA connectors. Connect to the 3 video inputs of a progressive-scan line multiplier or a progressive-scan TV. Toshiba's version is called ColorStream PRO. This format preserves the progressive nature of most 24-frame movie discs, providing a film-like, flicker-free image with higher vertical resolution and smoother motion
2nd: RGB -
RGB is a high quality video signal supported by few DVD players in Australia. It is usually carried via a SCART universal connector. RGB is generally seen as a European standard.
RGB outputs the video in three seperate channels of Red, Green, and Blue.
3rd Component:
Component Video: The newest kind on the block, component video was made to improve on S-video. It separates the video three ways, Y/R -- luminance and red, Y/B -- luminance and blue Y -- luminance channel only. Component Video's quality is second only to RGB.
DVD stores a component video signal in digital format. Since this is the native video format that is stored on DVD, this is also the best format to use to display the picture, if your equipment is capable of dealing with this type of signal.
Basically, Component is an output format found on most American players, it is similar in it's make up to RGB format, which is most popular in Europe.
SCART supports both of these formats!
4th S-Video:
quote:Remember that the component video signal is split into three parts; black and white information (Y), and two colour difference signals (Pb and Pr). The S-Video connection keeps the all-important black and white (Y) information separate, and combines the colour difference signals into a single colour signal (C). Instead of three separate signals going to the display device, there are now two separate signals. As you would expect, combining the two colour signals results in a degradation of the colour information. In the grand scheme of things, this is a fairly minor degradation, and you still get an exceptionally good picture from this signal.
5th Composite:
We all know this one. It's crap.
Most SCART TV's come with SCART adaptors. These allow you to plug an SCART connector into the back of the telly, and then your RGB or S-video into the SCART adaptor with no loss of component quality.
Most SCART TV sets have 2 SCART sockets on their rear. The first can switch from a composite input to RGB input. The second can switch from a composite input to an S-Video input.
Basically SCART is compatible with the highest standard of input (component and RBG) right down to shitty composite.
quote:SCART connector is 21 pin AV connector used in most of the consumer video equipments like VCRs, TVs and DVD players to hand the audio and video connections all using some connector. SCART connector supports stereo audio, composite video, S-video, RGB and some control signal
So, Sonic_Jam: Component rocks. I doubt you run your PS2 in component. You're referring to composite (one yellow AV), but then you say that RGB is a competitor to component (even though you're referring to composite) when in fact it is the best video source connection available.
Basically, SCART is NOT a video standard like RGB or component, it is simply a connector, but it is compatible to the highest level except for prgoressive scan I think.
If your DVD player has RBG or component out, try to get an RGB or component to SCART cable, or a SCART adaptor that has those inputs and that's the signal quality that will be received by the TV.
Anyone else confused?? ME TOO!!
David
[This message has been edited by DJ Fusion (edited 10-11-2001).]
posted 11-11-2001 06:13 PM
DJ, it's actually the equipment used that determines how good video output is, not the standard itself.
Composite video for example just requires more encoding/decoding to extract the signals, it doesn't limit the max performance that can be received. For example - a lowe with composite probably shits over a teac with scart because the teac is shitty at decoding any signal.
Anyway, it's just good to keep things in perspective, that's all.
quote:Originally posted by zarevz: DJ, it's actually the equipment used that determines how good video output is, not the standard itself.
Composite video for example just requires more encoding/decoding to extract the signals, it doesn't limit the max performance that can be received. For example - a lowe with composite probably shits over a teac with scart because the teac is shitty at decoding any signal.
Anyway, it's just good to keep things in perspective, that's all.
Its allso bandwidth you ninny!
And DJ, I said stick to composite for the PS2, as this question is about a PS2 SCART cable, Composite is blurred enough to give an allmost Anti Aliasing effect
I use Component, I wasnt sure exactly what SCART was, I thought it might have been RGB..
posted 11-11-2001 08:58 PM
So the SCART cable i have for my DC uses what format exactly? Is the default S-video? RGB? Not composite surely? Or is it device dependent?
Edit: Not thinking straight atm.
[This message has been edited by koensayr[vKm] (edited 11-11-2001).]
quote:Originally posted by koensayr[vKm]: So what SCART cable i have for my DC uses what format exactly? Is the default S-video? RGB? Not composite surely? Or is it device dependent?
I dont really understand this post, but the default cable that comes with consoles is Composite, as most TV's dont support anything above that, unless its newish.
SCART is RGB apparently, which is the second best connection you can use (Next to digital)
posted 11-11-2001 09:55 PM
I think you'll find that SCART is RGB. It's also designed to carry 5.1 channels for digital broadcasts, it can strip the Macrovosion coding from DVDs, and on alternate Thursdays it can make the room sell like fresh lemons.
posted 12-11-2001 12:59 AM
Yes bandwidth is a very techy term, so is selectivity.
If you have to resort to using Component to get a decent picture then it is only a reflection on the crappiness of your set-up. That's as nicely as I can put it.
quote:Originally posted by zarevz: Yes bandwidth is a very techy term, so is selectivity.
If you have to resort to using Component to get a decent picture then it is only a reflection on the crappiness of your set-up. That's as nicely as I can put it.
I'm currently useing what is arguably one of the best TV's ever made:
Philips 68CM Flat Screen TV with Digital Natural Motion
I hardly think that my set is crappy.
Bandwidth is VERY important you fool, the horrible blur and bleeding you get from composite compared to S-Video or Component is VERY noticeable, I think you should go to an optomotrist, thats as nicely as I can put it.
quote:Originally posted by Sonic_Jam: I'm currently useing what is arguably one of the best TV's ever made:
Let's see...
quote:Philips 68CM Flat Screen TV with Digital Natural Motion
A 68 cm cathode TV is hardly "one of the best TV's ever made." Digital Natural Motion means that it has blur effects.
quote:I hardly think that my set is crappy.
Good on you.
quote:Bandwidth is VERY important
Normally if you have to transmit signals over distances of many kilometres bandwidth is important. However, we're talking about a meter or two here, and not GBs worth of data either. A composite connection is way more than capable of handelling the small amount of data.
quote:the horrible blur and bleeding you get from composite compared to S-Video or Component is VERY noticeable
quote:Originally posted by zarevz: Composite video for example just requires more encoding/decoding to extract the signals, it doesn't limit the max performance that can be received. For example - a lowe with composite probably shits over a teac with scart because the teac is shitty at decoding any signal.
What a load of crap.
Firstly, SCART isn't a video signal. It's simply a connector through which you can channel component, svideo or composite.
Comparing composite to SCART is useless considering it is possible to hook up to an SCART adaptor via a composite cable.
Secondly, it is impossible for a single AV cable running all channels of colour to compete with either an RGB connection which splits the video signal into red, green, and blue, or a component signal that splits the signal into luminance and red, luminance and blue, and just luminance.
quote:Composite video signals have a number of unavoidable image problems because of inherent limitations of the PAL and NTSC systems. The problem is, once the colour (C) and the black and white (Y) information have been put together, they can no longer be perfectly separated due to fundamental design limitations of the two systems. Whilst a detailed description of these image problems is beyond the scope of this article, there are two specific artefacts which I will mention which are readily demonstrable.
Dot Crawl:
This occurs on the boundaries between two colours where you can see moving blocks of incorrect colour information.
Cross-colouration:
You may be familiar with this artefact when watching a black-and-white image on your TV, particularly if it is an older model. Fine lines in the image result in a purple colour being displayed by the TV.
Basically, if you think that composite can equal component with a good TV set, then you should hang out with King Caleb and listen to CDs on his PSX through one speaker together.
Sonic_jam: Having played GT3 and Crazy Taxi PS2 via both composite and component as a test, I think you're crazy. Component looked a LOT better. PS2 composite is really, really bad compared to the DC composite for some reason. I switched between the start up screen of Crazy Taxi for both DC and PS2 and the dot crawl and color bleed was awful on the PS2.
[This message has been edited by DJ Fusion (edited 12-11-2001).]
posted 12-11-2001 04:11 PM
Well DJ you have once again proved you can copy and paste. What does this mean? You have no ability to reason my points as you rely on the source of information to be correct, and so we are at an impass.
Take my word for it, you're an idiot.
quote:Firstly, SCART isn't a video signal. It's simply a connector through which you can channel component, svideo or composite.
What are you smoking? I don't remember mentioning the word scart in that post. Secondly you're an idiot because you think that composite is crap, does an arial connection suddenly outperform composite? Finally you're an idiot because scart doesn't carry component video, it carries rgb. Stick that up your pipe and smoke it.
Look my point was composite isn't *that* crap, and you guys do not know what you are talking about, like usual. Just like with the stupid ntsc vs pal debates, and various other lame topics.
Why? Because in this thread people would go buy teac tvs with scart(using rgb) and expect them to outperform other tvs. This is total BS! You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.
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