Just strange, for I think xbox is good and all but it is too similar to the PS2,and it was a good choice by nintendo to make a stand alone machine with great games instead of a multimedia unit for Sony has already done that, we need variety and Microsoft seem to want to do exactly what sony do and cant come up with originality and creativity to make a fantastic new console, just look at the controller, half dreamcast half gamecube,

I am not dogging the XBOX im just saying that Microsoft need to be more original and try something new instead of following sony's lead. Look at Nintendo, I love the way they decided to go for the futuristic mini electronic gizmo thing and the way they are using new ideas and taking chances in Zelda and in new games like Pikmin.

X-box = PS2.

NGC Generation!!!!

Seriously now, if a game is available on two systems, does that make the game inferior? why not choose the X-box version?

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And if DJ Fusion were to ban me because of this, then that will just be an extremely childish and pathetic move.

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I, on the otherhand, am the biggest Nintendo fanboy there is (besides Pep L) and think the XBox will be the biggest flop in console history.

I see it this way

Sony: created the ps2 for consumers who want an all in one machine. They have also realised they can't live of third parties and have started to create wonderful games such as ICO, GT3 etc

Nintendo: created a console that is purely for gaming, it dosen't have a dvd player and it dosent have a condom vending machine built in, its for pure gaming bliss. They also are using this classic idea but have brought future ideas into the new console by using mini dvds, extra small size of machine and using new ideas in games such as marios backpack in mario sunshine, and the cell shaded disney like fairytale look of Zelda.

Microsoft: Plain and simple, want sonys spot in the gaming world and instead of using there imagination on making a better machine they make one identical to the ps2 They have not been at all original in choosing the right games and they have this idea that telling everyone the xbox has attitute will sell units, sonys method in the ps1 days. They need originality bad and instead of paying every developer off, microsoft should work on there own games that arnt boring and just plain dull.

I am just feed up in the way Microsoft want to take sony's spot by only spending instead of using there heads in making a better console or one which has a different image e.g Gamecube. Copying is not going to get them anywhere.

Anyway, I fail to see how Microsoft are emulating Sony. I actually thought that they were distancing themselves from the whole "integrated online entertainment" scheme.

So it's a DVD player? They certainly aren't building it up as a main selling point like Sony did with the PS2. More like they are throwing it in because it's cheap and easy to impliment, so why not?

They aren't talking about downloading movies or music or anything like that, and I think they've stressed that it's just a games machine by not offering keyboard and mouse support, and by planning to use the broadband support just for online gaming (and maybe downloading patches to patch buggy games! )

On a side note, isn't it partially indicatative of a consoles quality when you go to a forum that is based around talking about consoles and most of the people there seem to have high regard for certain consoles?

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Originally posted by DJ Fusion:
So it's a DVD player? They certainly aren't building it up as a main selling point like Sony did with the PS2

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Of course the Xbox is similar to the PS2. It's also similar to the PSX, Dreamcast, Sega Megadrive and Atari 2600. They're all video game consoles, FFS. The only thing that makes the Gamecube different from Xbox and PS2 is that there's next to no software available for it. And I don't think this is something Nintendo intended.

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They need originality bad and instead of paying every developer off, microsoft should work on there own games that arnt boring and just plain dull.

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What are you, an idiot? Yes you are. You think, Halo, the "best game ever" according to Voodoo Extreme, is boring and dull? What about the past hits of Microsoft, like Age of Empires and Close Combat? MS have an established reputation for quality games, much moreso than Sony.

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Microsoft: Plain and simple, want sonys spot in the gaming world and instead of using there imagination on making a better machine they make one identical to the ps2

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Yeah that's a good one. Does the PS2 have a hard drive? No. Did any console prior to Xbox have a hard drive? No. Will every console in the future have a hard drive? Yes, because they'll be copying Microsoft's innovation.

And if Xbox is identical to the PS2, why is it that you seem to like the PS2 yet dislike the Xbox? They're the same thing, aren't they?

GIVE ME ORIGINALITY, I dont want games that are going to be on ps2 later on.

I may be confusing you look at it this way, Show me games that are exclusive to xbox which can really compete with what exclusives gamecube and ps2 have to offer.

ps2: ICO, GT3
Gamecube: Mario sunshine, Pikmin, Zelda
Xbox: Halo ? This is a pc game I want console gaming, sure theres DOA3 but you know as well as I do its going to ps2 in less than 6 months, all the rest of the games that are good are games which have been on ps2 or will be on ps2 3-12 months in advance e.g Metal gear solid x

You just seem like a real fanboy who just goes for the most powerful system and you shouldn't even be a moderator for its to easy to ban somone with a different opinion.

p.s and you say that the dreamcast is similar to xbox but not to gamecube because dc had third part developers and gamecube dosen't. I think I just lot a few IQ points in even replying to that garbage.

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GIVE ME ORIGINALITY

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Bloodwake
Halo (believe it or not is not appearing on the PC)
Project Ego
Strident

well I find zelda on gamecube looking very original for the new art style, the cell shading, the comedy that is now in the game and the way it is more like a disney fairytale game instead of the last 2 zelda games.

With mario its obvious its not just a platformer. The water pack on the back is an important part of the game and after reading some articles from reliable sources on some of the new content, it is very original. Also mario is now also in human environment such as the spaceworld's demo's venice, italy setting.

These games are what 11 years old and we see how nintendo can put so much more creativity into games these old, yet microsoft cant do it in there first year when creating the games and coming up with ideas begin. Microsoft have come up with a bloody game about a mice for god's sakes "called have a mice day", just the name scared me let alone the actual game.

So if one my favourite games is on 4 systems, shouldn't I buy the best version?

Doesn't it stand to reason that the XBOX version will be the best version, and when the PS2 version hits and is sub-par then all the PS2 fanboys will start screaming that it's only a port and is unoptimised for the PS2?

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I am just feed up in the way Microsoft want to take sony's spot by only spending instead of using there heads in making a better console or one which has a different image e.g Gamecube. Copying is not going to get them anywhere.

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Umm... Firstly, they have made a better console. A much better console. It is more powerful, and easier to develop for.

It doesn't have a different image; true. What console does? Referring to the PS2 as some kind of benchmark for originality leaves you with a credibility rating of about... oh, say ZERO?

You should learn more about the XBOX before you try and list its exclusives.

Try Project Gotham, Munchs Odysee (dropped from the PS2 because of the hardware limitations), Double Steal, Project Ego, Gun Valkrie, Project KX, GT2002...

I really could go on, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that I've made my mind up which console I prefer based on my evaluation of the PS2, NGC and XBOX.

You seem to know very little about the XBOX. Maybe you should take your fanboy blindfold off and do some research.

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And Megaman by calling me an idiot for a gaming discussion proves I shouldn't even waste my time on you, If your going to be childish and start name calling...

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You just seem like a real fanboy who just goes for the most powerful system and you shouldn't even be a moderator for its to easy to ban somone with a different opinion.

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And Megaman by calling me an idiot for a gaming discussion proves I shouldn't even waste my time on you, If your going to be childish and start name calling...

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You just seem like a real fanboy who just goes for the most powerful system and you shouldn't even be a moderator for its to easy to ban somone with a different opinion.

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Originally posted by Christopher De'Toi:
If your going to be childish and start name calling...

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Originally posted by Christopher De'Toi:
it's probably the most amount of power you will ever have being a forum moderator.

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Originally posted by Christopher De'Toi:
If your going to be childish and start name calling...

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Originally posted by Christopher De'Toi:
it's probably the most amount of power you will ever have being a forum moderator.

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NB: When have I ever expected anyone to agree to my half-arsed illogical views just because I can change the background colour??

You need to take a step back and rejoin the nice little console discussion we were just having and forget about who does what around here because it doesn't work like that.

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I, on the otherhand, am the biggest Nintendo fanboy there is (besides Pep L)

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you fail to see how mario and zelda are original ?

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well I find zelda on gamecube looking very original for the new art style, the cell shading, the comedy that is now in the game and the way it is more like a disney fairytale game instead of the last 2 zelda games.

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These games are what 11 years old and we see how nintendo can put so much more creativity into games these old, yet microsoft cant do it in there first year when creating the games and coming up with ideas begin. Microsoft have come up with a bloody game about a mice for god's sakes "called have a mice day", just the name scared me let alone the actual game.

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The NGC has an interesting controller, but big whoop, my Atari had a controller too you know, nothing new there.

Sure, he's got a pack on his back. Great. Until we see what it does, and until we know that it's innovative in any sense, it's just another 3D platform game.

Zelda cel shaded? Whoop-de-doo. JSR was cel shaded. Fur Fighters PSX was cel shaded. House of the Dead 3 will be cel shaded. It's not even close to being original.

As far as your Xbox contention goes, Sony made the PSX successful without concentrating on innovation. Nintendo spent years working to make SM64 innovative, and they launched late and ultimately came second.

Innovation doesn't sell consoles the way all-out marketing does.

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Yeah that's a good one. Does the PS2 have a hard drive? No. Did any console prior to Xbox have a hard drive? No. Will every console in the future have a hard drive? Yes, because they'll be copying Microsoft's innovation.

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