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Influence Device
Australia
28 Posts |
 Posted - 28 Nov 2001 : 09:49:13
I was always of the opinion that 60Hz stuff couldn't possibly be that much smoother. But it is. I especially like the lack of flicker that was always present before, and the improved speed is a welcome bonus. I think your TV's broken, Nathan. Mine displays the DC's 60Hz signal without a problem. I can't comment on the PS2's performance in this regard, as I haven't played Burnout or any other game that supports it. ? |
zathras
United Kingdom
36 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2001 : 10:17:11
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This was going to be a reply to a topic but I want to start a discussion.60hz PAL. Inferior to 50hz PAL.
Hmmmm. quote:
Tell me what is so great about PAL games having a 60hz option? All you get is larger pixels, washed out color (perhaps due to the pixels) and worst of all, a skewed image. I don't know about you but I like the wheels on my F355 to be round, not egg shaped. I like my Phoenix mirror to be round, not oval. People should not look like twigs. And PS2 jaggies?.. I know, lets make them much worse by playing in 60hz.
Well F355, like all Jap/US games, was designed at the 640x480 resolution, so playing at 60hz should give you the picture at the correct aspect ratio. When you run in 50hz, the 480 vertical resolution is squashed, you get borders, and then the picture becomes skewed. Sounds like you have a problem with your TV - is it widescreen, and trying to zoom the image? Although your TV has higher vertical resolution at 50hz, the game still outputs the 480 vertical resolution, hence you get those damn borders - a complete waste of space. quote:
You get all these problems for what?.. A almost unnoticeable increase in refresh rate. Wow.
The argument about PAL/NTSC is only relevant when using a composite signal, but yes, PAL colour encoding is superior to NTSC. However, the PS2 outputs in NTSC at 60hz, whereas the DC outputs in PAL at 60hz, which is superior, an oversight on Sony's part, IMHO. However if you use RGB, then you get a much better picture, no colour encoding is taking place at all. Also, when you next go into an arcade, count how many of the machines are running at 50hz... :-)
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Candy Arse
Australia
6 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2001 : 10:30:02
I feel compelled to agree with Nathan. He is obviously a very smart fellow who has his head screwed on right, and eats froot loops for breakfast.60hz PAL is just plain crap. When I am playing Streetfighter whatever on my Dreamcast, I don't want full screen and full speed! pah!! I want large noticeable borders, the slower speed, the missing animation. Damnit I want my timing to be thrown right off! PS - I get to see infinitely more games than Nathan, and earlier too! Edited by - Candy Arse on 28 Nov 2001 10:31:53 |
Xevious
United Kingdom
16 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2001 : 10:36:19
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All of the above games suffer in 60hz. All are distorted in 60hz, just take a look at the oval shaped 'circle' on the title screen of Shenmue for proof. And the drop in resolution is quite noticeable in each title (the white lines on the side of the track in F355 are quite jagged in 60hz). And just watch the jaggies increase in 60hz when playing Burnout.
The title-screen circle is circular in 60Hz but oval in 50Hz on every TV I've played on, since the 50Hz version has borders at the top and bottom. You say you're playing on a Widescreen? What aspect settings do you have your TV on? --
"Things you never thought you'd hear, #273 - Tim being labelled as a pirate-sympathiser" (Jon Ross in reply to Oracle, rec.games.video.sega) |
Choddo
277 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2001 : 10:40:58
I've been thinking about this some more since I've actually woken up now. The signal coming from my PS2 is s-video, so it won't be in PAL or NTSC anyway, so I reckon that's irrelevant. Nathan, What I think is happening, is that (as hinted by zathras) there's an auto-zoom mode on the Sony which will mess nastily with any input signal and should always be turned off whenever possible, which I've done on my AV1 (DVD & Sky) but not on my AV2 (PS2 via s-video) so I think going into the menu on the TV and finding the Autosize for AV2 and turning it off might help... then can just leave the WS setting at Smart, which on a 4:3 input will zoom to full screen but keep the aspect ratio -can be a pain losing a little off the top & bottom in games but at least wheels look round and on a 16:9 input will look right. Now, I took Burnout back cos it didn't support my wheel, but I'll have to find another 60Hz title to test it on - anyone got any recommendations? Right, I've been investigating some more. Apparently, on the Sony when you get an NTSC picture which I now discover you CAN get over s-video (this tweak shouldn't apply to PAL60 but the problem sounds so similar I can't believe it's not related) there's an additional picture option on the menu called Hue, which I'll try out. Cheers
Chods
Edited by - Choddo on 28 Nov 2001 11:35:21
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Nathan
Australia
17 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2001 : 12:39:48
Ok first of all the picture is skewed in 60hz, not 50hz. 50hz is fine with a circle being a circle. 60hz is skewed. And my WEGA was brought just before the auto wide screen features were introduced, so no auto zoom here. It's a normal 68cm 4:3 BTW.Now, 50hz should never be skewed because a NTSC game at 525 lines fits into the PAL 625 lines with little borders top and bottom. In full screen 60hz the picture needs to be skewed just to fit the screen. Logical right? Why do you people keep saying that 50hz is skewed?
And to those who suggest that some games run 60hz, 625 lines well where does PAL console find the extra 17% more power to do this?
BTW my DC is hooked up using S-Video, the PS2 using Component cables. Mmm Skyscraper... I love you. |
MrPob
United Kingdom
85 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2001 : 12:47:12
Are you comparing an NTSC source being converted to Pal 60 to a "proper" Pal source?Either way, your TV sounds buggered. |
zathras
United Kingdom
36 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2001 : 13:17:50
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Ok first of all the picture is skewed in 60hz, not 50hz. 50hz is fine with a circle being a circle. 60hz is skewed. And my WEGA was brought just before the auto wide screen features were introduced, so no auto zoom here. It's a normal 68cm 4:3 BTW.Now, 50hz should never be skewed because a NTSC game at 525 lines fits into the PAL 625 lines with little borders top and bottom. In full screen 60hz the picture needs to be skewed just to fit the screen. Logical right? Why do you people keep saying that 50hz is skewed?
OK, the vertical resolution of the output video signal is 525 whether you run at 50hz or 60hz. If you run at 60hz, those 525 lines fill a 4:3 aspect ratio TV. This is the original Jap/US aspect ratio - if the developers designed a circle, you will also see a circle - since the resolutions match.When you run at 50hz, the game still displays 525 lines, but you now have 625 lines on your TV to fill. So your 525 line image is squashed in the middle of your TV, with 50 line borders at the top and bottom.
The result is the image is skewed. If you have a widescreen, you could zoom this image to lose the borders. But you would still have a 525 line image - exactly the same as if were running at 60hz. quote:
And to those who suggest that some games run 60hz, 625 lines well where does PAL console find the extra 17% more power to do this?
Well that is correct, you can't have 625 line image AND display it at 60hz, well not on a TV anyway! quote:
BTW my DC is hooked up using S-Video, the PS2 using Component cables.
Try out RGB if you can, it is SO much better.
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Me Me Me
16 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2001 : 18:31:26
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Try out RGB if you can, it is SO much better.
Oh dear, oh dear. The difference between S-Video and RGB is marginal - half of the world thinks one is better than the other. In other words, they're basically the same. Component connection produces THE BEST quality. Fact. |
Alex W.
1825 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2001 : 19:12:58
Oddly, you can hardly make out anything more than ten feet in front of the car in Burnout at 50Hz- a major design flaw- but in 60Hz you can see a lot farther.Anyway, I'd rather have PAL's higher resoloution, a well-optimised game (i.e. no speed loss) and the better colourisation. It has the staff of the Jo and the access to the bow. Note! |
Spacehost
United Kingdom
1023 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2001 : 19:53:44
So long as I can still see my astro-rockets speeding up some villain's arse, I'm happy with either.
As the Spacehost the male who calls wrote this recently inside hour.
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zathras
United Kingdom
36 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2001 : 20:53:20
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Try out RGB if you can, it is SO much better.
Oh dear, oh dear. The difference between S-Video and RGB is marginal - half of the world thinks one is better than the other. In other words, they're basically the same. Component connection produces THE BEST quality. Fact.
Well I was comparing to composite! :-) RGB _is_ better than S-Video, it does give you the purest signal, but I agree it is marginal, unless you're fussy (like me :-)) |
Marvelon
Netherlands
777 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2001 : 21:16:13
The strongest difference i've seen between 50 and 60hz was in pso, in 50hz your character moves a lot slower. In 60hz however the screen does seem to be more interlaced. I've no import consoles so I can't somment on the NTSC 60hz.I have heard NTSC stand for Never The Same Colour  edit: I think Burnout looks great in 60hz btw. - statement - Edited by - Marvelon on 28 Nov 2001 21:17:09 |
Prince Underpants
11 Posts |
Posted - 29 Nov 2001 : 01:44:55
I'd like to take this opportunity to introduce Nathan and the rest of this forum to the Pool Room. *** THE POOL ROOM: out of the warehouse and into your lounge! *** On this shelf you will find:
[*] Dreamcast is a pile of shit
[*] Words of wisdom from Kingcaleb - the threat of "folk psychology"
[*] "Can you play DVDs on Dreamcaster?"
[*] "I HAS FOUND ME A PIRATE!!!!"
[*] 16:9 on a 4:3 TV - how come their heads are all stretched??
[*] "when will people learn that 60hz is NOT better?"
[*] "Mum phoned up the people who stole my PSX stuff"
[*] XBOX will suck, XBOX = PS2, PS2 is BETTAR!!
[*] "I read Hyper"
---------The Top Shelf vs PlayNOW! Super Sydney Uni Social Psychology Degree EX Turbo Edition------------ Definition: PlayNOW! (verb) To ram the anus of your chosen opponent until you make them react in different ways. quote:
Originally posted by Candy Arse:
My ultra super duper champion edition hyper fighting EX + alpha Psychology degree says you are a poo face, Mr Bungle, and I have it on good authority that you do a crap form of Psychology at Weiner University. Not unlike Prince Underpants.
What? you don't agree with me? **** you buddy, I'm packing up my toys, AND my PSX CD player, and going home!
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Originally posted by XMAN:
The DC has some great games, yes, but as far as texures, polies, frame rates and over all apperence of games go the Dreamcast is a pile of shit, the DC sucks ass big time when it comes to making games look good.
F355 looks so ****ing plastic compared to GT3.
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Originally posted by Kingcaleb:
Where I work, the threat of 'folk-psychology' is ever present. The best scientist abandons all intuition and seeks objective answers.
If anyone supported an argument by saying "it sounds so much better" - we laugh at them and tell them to bugger off to the Arts building (or worse yet psychology at Sydney uni!)UrinalCake replies:
Ahahahaha, psychology at Sydney uni, ahahaha... **** you're a clown! I bet the majority of people here wouldn't have any friggin idea what you're on about, then again, you're probably sitting in some computer lab at uni, surrounded by your equally egotistical, ignorant and arrogant peers having a nice little chuckle about this. "Hey guys, come and have a look at what my super intelligent arse wrote about psychology at Sydney uni, it's hilarious!" *riotous laughter ensues* "Hahaha, I really gave those Sydney uni scum some crap didn't I, and rightly so, I mean we're soooo much better than them!".
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Originally posted by Grand Master 67:
From a friend who told me that there was a software alternation thingy that could alter your Dreamcast to play DVD's...ok now I looked everywhere and I couldn't find it maybe it doesn't exist...I dunno, it does sound a bit stupid cause the Dreamcast uses a cdrom (or GD-rom, who knows)...anyone know where I could posibly get it....It would really be great I got 4 anime DVD's and no dvd player....what I also heard that the alterned the Bios to start up linux on the dreamcast....anyone else heard of any weird stories of owners and their dreamcasts???? Vision Replies:
You're an idiot. Grand Master 67 Replies:
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KISS MY ASS IF YOUR NOT GONNA ANSWER MY QUESTION!!
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UrinalCake Replies:
Yes it's all true, the DC plays DVDs and if you hook it up to a quality sound system like the PSX and bum some speakers from the stereo system of a dumped car you'll have a home theatre package that rivals $4000 systems! I suggest you talk to kingcaleb if you need anymore details, you can find him at Sydney Uni, he's the one sitting up the back of the psychology lectures constantly yelling out "pfft, yeah right, what would you know dickhead"! Grand Master 67 Replies:
I don't go to bloody uni....I live in Queensland dammit....are you jerking my leg ;<
if not where can i get it from and I'm not talking about from a person....
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Fusion:
Grand Master 67: You act a lot more mature over at the madman forums. Try and show my mebers the same level of respect please.Cheers! Grand Master 67 Replies:
AYY!!! So I would not be regarded as being not a member....That would make me what then....I seemingly don't know understand from what point your coming across....Even though it was clear that I was just posting doing my own thing and dickhead comes along and starts shit you go and back up your lil friends...man **** YOU! You bloody shit **** YOU AND YOUR STUPID BOARD I'll ****ing go to some other ****ing board piss head....last time I go to some board with **** DJ FUSION ON IT!!! Well goodbye piss heads!!
quote:
Originally posted at Kegsta by Gensis 725 (via a SCART connection on his Dad's TV):
I HAS FOUND ME A PIRATE!!!!WINXP isn't released yet Kegsta Totally crap.... BOO HOO MY 2600 POST COUNT mech replies:
Errr mate, I've got a copy, in fact I've got 7 copies, all completely legal. I've got about 20+ if you count the beta tests. Plenty of people have legal versions. Maybe not this guy, but don't jump to conclusions so quickly. Not that you'll read this post, knowing your record. Kegsta replies:
Na Mech hes Right ARG Me HARTIES, Make Im Walk The Plank.
I Have Build 2535, will get the corperate final edition soon
mech replies:
Well good on ya mate. You stick it to the man. F*ck the law. Whatever. You toolbag... Kegsta replies:
YOU ARE E-102 Gamma replies:
Pool room.
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Originally posted by SPidER-HaMMeTT:
Call it what you will. The fondness for PAL is mainly due to a HATE factor for NTSC (reasons of which are irrelevant). Just noticed that this release is NOT anamorphicaly enhanced. Shit. I hate that. Oh well. DJ Fusion replies: But aren't you the guy who said that you wouldn't consider buying a 16:9 TV? So what the **** do you want anamorphic for? Do you even know what it means? SPidER-HaMMeTT replies:
You ARE joking right? There is 3 main sizes... 1) CinemaScope - 1.66:1 ratio (which is what Robo Criterion is in, WITHOUT anamorphic) 2) 16:9 - What CinemaScope becomes, AFTER anamorphic enhancment. Smaller black bars on a 4:3 ratio television. 3) 4:3 - Standard commercial television viewing size. You DO realise that even WITHOUT a widescreen 16:9 television, anamorphic enhancment still reduces the size of the black bars on the top and bottom of the screen. Thus, I think standard CinemaScope on a 4:3 ratio telly is TOO small, where as I like Anamorphic enhancment on a 4:3 telly, as it becomes 16:9 ratio. That being said, anamorphic enhancment on an ALREADY 16:9 ratio movie, stretches it onto 4:3 ratio, taking up ALL space on standard televisions. Eg. RoboCop 3. Vzzzbx replies:
Are you seriously saying you'd rather stretch your picture to fill the screen? You're not supposed to do that. What you're talking about is a serious distortion of the picture. If you're going to run anamorphic coded transfers without compressing the picture for a 4:3 screen, you're doing it wrong. Just like 99% of electronic shops run by stupid people. DJ Fusion: You're right. Prince Underpants: Pool Room.
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Originally posted by UrinalCake:
Yeah that Burnout ad makes the game look absolutely pathetic, it looks all pixelated and blocky so I honestly did think it was for the PSX, I wasn't just stirring. Candy Arse replies:
Here's the killer, the footage shown in the ad looks far far better than the game itself. Nathan replies:
The footage shown in the ad is from very early development, the actual game if anyone here has played it looks much better than that. Need some proof? Go to the edge forums and ask AlexWard (Criterion) your self. In other words your a dick Candy Arse. Burnout is an excellent game. There is a lot of jaggies if running in pathetic 60hz mode (when will people learn that 60hz is NOT better) DJ Fusion replies:
"Excuse me, does your game look good?"
"Yes."
"Thank you, I must be a dick, because I played it for about 20 hours and thought it was a jaggy shimmering mess but if you say it looks good then I must be wrong."
Good idea chump. Nathan replies:
No the question would be 'Excuse me Sir, is the ad footage from very early development?'. I can't believe you or anyone would agrue that the game don't not look better than it does on the ads. It's nuts. 60hz...
Easy. Switch any game to 60hz and looks at the brick sized pixcels. Switch to 50hz and watch them shrink along with much of the jaggies effect. Mech replies:
I don't think people have been playing PSX games lately. Load up GT2. Watch the textures warp. See the 25fps juddery animation. See the massive, fist size pixels that make up the polygons. Then load up a PS2 game.
Even shithouse looking PS2 games like Sky Odyssey look a ton better than PSX. I can't understand you guys. Poppa Large Advance replies:
I think the point is most of us can deal with hardware released in 1994 looking bad, but would prefer "TEH REvOLUTION IN GAEMING!!11!" to look a bit better. Candy Arse replies (to Nathan):
I played it non-stop the night I took it home, moron. Please be aware of the following facts -
You are a moron.
I have access to far more games than you.
I have access to far more games eariler then you.
You are a moron.
The ad displays far less flicker than what is present in the game. In that regard, the game looks worse. Far far worse.
If you don't like my opinion, give me your address, and I shall send you fifty cents so you can call someone who cares. Sonhex replies from his desk at Criterion Software:
Is this a forum about Burnout or just a doss house for fags talking about their arses?
if the made Burnout 2 (which they will) what should they improve?
don't be shocked by an intelligent question boys, you can always post a photo of your arse if it makes you feel happy....
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Originally posted by DJ Fusion on the topic of Robocop Criterion edition:
I have two copies. One is in its shrinkwrap, and one is for watching.
quote:
Originally posted by Houlty:
I had $400 dollars of Playstation 1 stuff stolen. What should I do? P.S I know who the culprits are I believe Holden is better than Ford because FORD SUCK! SithLord replies:
If you know who they are call the police I guess. Isn't that pretty obvious? Houlty replies:
Yeh, but the police cant do much if you don't have proof or any proof of purchase for what was stolen. Megaman replies:
Ford rules! Holden sucks! Houlty replies:
F**k Off vzzzbx replies:
Bu-bu-bu-bubble boy Crippler repleis:
By any chance were they playstation silvers ? Jobbidiar replies:
Akira has found pirates!!!!!!111111111111
F0rd rulez!!!!!!1111111111111111111111
$400 of ps1 stuff? what did you have 100 originals? Houlty replies:
They weren't pirated games! The originals cost about $70 dollars each if they aren't Platinum games.
$400 of ps1 stuff? what did you have 100 originals?
games don't cost $4 each you ******** Jobbidiar replies:
Well you'd better get in contact with Lambchop........to tell someone who gives a flying fark! F0rd Ownz y0u!1111111 Houlty replies:
F**k Off D*ckhead
I got my mum to ring them and she had a word to them and they said they would return the stuff to us. Crippler replies:
If he had insurance, he could get them off Xman again. Houlty replies:
F**k all you C*ck Suckers
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Originally posted by MatriX^:
Hey, people I just wanted you people to know XBox will suck, if you compare xbox and ps2 they are both exactly the same plus ps2 is better if you want xbox games upgrade ur pc like me
I have an Geforce2 GTS 64MB now.. Vzzzbx replies:
Wow! I think so too! We should meet up and compare our PS2 collections, what do you think? I've got 46 PS2 games and I won't buy any Xbox games because they all suck. How many have you got? Can we trade? If we can't meet at your place that's fine, my friend will lend us his Pool Room. trance replies:
yes i also think xbox is crap...lol all microsoft talks about is how powerful the system is, but i beat the games will be shit like back when that other console came out around the time of ps......what was it called agian? Vzzzbx replies:
PlayStation? superluke replies:
Sooo... xbox sucks, ps2 = xbox, tho ps2 > xbox, and xbox games = pc games, therefore pc = sucks???/ I agree.
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Originally postered by rawnski:
captain obvious, are you some kind of idiot?!!??!!!lambchop replies:
special ed.
... i think i saw him at a meeting once.
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Originally posted by Candy Arse:
I read Hyper (post edited for comedic value)Prince Undperants replies:
If that's not Pool Room material, I don't know what is!! Vzzzbx replies:
>>Originally posted by ryanandcameron: "Hyper for me! That mag rox >>Originally posted by CandyArse: "Hyper for me! That mag rox Candy Arse replies:
....I own every issue. It would seem that I am also about to recieve the special Pool Room edition.
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Prince Underpants
11 Posts |
Posted - 29 Nov 2001 : 01:53:54
Here are some more relevant bits of the Pool Room:*** THE POOL ROOM: out of the warehouse and into your lounge! *** On this shelf you will find:
[*] Some useful advice for posting on internet forums.
[*] Reflections on the cost of technology, video games, and the wonders of Trinitron televisions.
[*] I HAS BEEN DEFAMERED!!111
[*] The case of the Mysterious Hacker @|:-<
[*] "Did Elliot pass on the message?"
[*] Zarevz misses the point. Again. (Microsoft code joke)
--------- The Top Shelf: Frootloop edition --------- quote:
Originally posted by zarevz:
1. Don't use slang phrases to make yourself look cool.
2. Unless you use a WAP service to access the BB, do not rush type.
3. Use proper grammer. (but obviously not proper spelling - PU.)
4. Advise your peers of good news.
5. Do not put other people down for their idiotic purchasing decisions.
6. Rugby is horrid. Please, do not make reference to it.
7. AFL is alright.
8. Dreamcast is pretty much dead.
9. Dreamcast is, however, more fun than the PS2.
10. Go you big red fire-engine.
11. Get a real hobby as well as gaming. Gaming is fairly antisocial.
12. Girls are not a hobby.
13. Um, oh yes, most importantly - Pick an abstract gaming topic to enjoy and talk about. Eg. - Are games becoming too short, or are we getting too critical? Does age influence our enjoyment?
quote:
Originally posted by zarevz:
Ever wondered why consoles are so cheap?It's the power of mass production. Thankfully for Sega, the high Dreamcast take up rate will enable them this virtue of Mass Production.
quote:
Originally posted by zarevz:
Trinitron technology is quite fascinating. Instead of using a standard shadow mask, sony trinitron technology uses vertical strips of phosphers each for RGB seperated by high tension wires that run up and down the screen(aka aperture grill).Because Trinitron technology uses an aperture grill it means that the electrons have a greater coverage of the screen, because the shadow mask on the other hand allows much less electrons through. What this means is that you'll get a brighter image on a Trinitron based tube.
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Originally posted by zarevz:
Crazi Taxi, made by Sega, is a revolutionary game that combines driving with a fun concept.
Other than occasional pop up its a great buy for your money. It retails at under $90 and is an essential game to have as part of your collection.Dreamcast - It's here!
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Originally posted by zarevz:
You are breaking one of the forum rules by posting information that you know is incorrect and is likely to harm me. Unless you remove all references that are in relation to me, or any alias that is of common knowledge to this UBB of me, I will promptly forward my request for your account to be terminated.Vzzbx replies:
You're breaking one of the forum rules by being an accessory to murder. I actually died laughing when I read this.
quote:
Originally posted by zarevz:
Unless you remove all references that are in relation to me, or any alias that is of common knowledge to this UBB of me, I will promptly forward my request for your account to be terminated.Candy Arse replies:
So I was just wondering, did you want us to go down holding hands, or did you want to break my fall?
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The case of the Mysterious Hacker...
Originally posted by zarevz:
I contacted Elliot to tell you that the forum was getting hacked into. I also contacted Theo, but he couldn't give me any direct info on how to get directly in touch with you, so that's why I had to settle with Elliot(ucko).Carey Badcoe was very helpful, if you know her, but she for some reason no longer works with Next any more, but sounded very, very nice(hint, hint). You should ask her out. Anyway, the post below was posted by the hacker at the time shown below. If you guys want to persue this, you just need to correlate the times of your server to that of the ISP's. Then you can narrow down the users posting at that time within +-5 mins or so and go from there. Hercy replies:
Talking of people who have too much time on their hands... From the moment the dame walked in, I knew she was trouble. She had a chip on her shoulder that matched the chip in my Dreamcast. $40 inc GST. She said she had witnessed a hacking. She had; she was hacking away at my heart. I have two magnums in my desk. One's a gun I keep loaded. The other one's a bottle that keeps me loaded. I told her to sit down and fill me in on the details. The dame told me that the hacker posted just before midnight. All I had to do was correlate the times of her server to that of the ISP's. Then I can narrow down the users posting at that time within +-5 mins or so and go from there. I couldn't do it alone. I got on the blower* to Elliot and Theo. The dame had a history with Theo. Theo didn't answer. He really was history. Elliot was as much help as a trenchcoat without a cool belt, so I contacted Carey Badcoe. She sounded like one of those people whose real last name is "Badcock", but who try to convince everyone that the "ck" is silent. Her past indiscretions didn't worry me now. I had a job to do. I would have asked her out, but she didn't date cereal. She told me the hacker left her a note with the initials "HN". There were smilies painted on the walls. I had a sick one on my hands. I heard the distinctive sound of a gun being cocked** behind my head. The dame had set me up. I used one of my magnums to make a retort, and the other to make a satisfying smashing sound. The dame was drenched. I hauled her up onto the chair by her hair, but only her hair came up with my hand. The dame was wearing a wig. It was no dame. She had a dodgy goatie. And come to think of it, she'd been playing Star Wars on the other TV all night while everyone else was playing multiplayer games. With his last breath, he gurgled "@|:-<".
*obvious blower/blow her joke omitted.
**ditto
Originally posted by zarevz:
Also I would like to advise the mods that when one edits a post (containing a quote followed by code), the quote does not show up in the edit page. Dreamer replies:
I TOTALLY appreciate you trying to help, but something to be aware of in case something like this happens again. I do not work at Next media. I used to, over 2 years ago. I do freelance work for them these days, that's it. If you're ever trying to contact me, just email dan_toose@siriustel.com.au Don't try any other way... It'll just be involving other people who shouldn't be bothered by such stuff, and I don't want that kind of thing happening. Zarevz replies:
Good afternoon Dreamer, I too was rather concerned, at the time, about having to resort to third parties in contacting you, but I tried to be as polite as possible about the matter considering the time over at the Eastern States. Perhaps I was overestimating the situation, but when thinking back to what was actually done to the forum I'm sure anybody here at that time would agree it was the appropriate action to undertake. I personally hope that nobody hassled you about me getting in contact, because in reality it's not like this is an everyday event, and I'm sure reasonable people would understand. Remember Dreamer that the hacker could just have easily destroyed other files of more importance without realising (eg. Accounting Databases) and hence you needed to know that this was happening so that you could stop it. I'll make sure to email from me from now on. Hope your date goes well. Catch ya. Dreamer replies:
Someone organise a blind date for me? Zarevz replies:
Dreamer, you don't know of Carey Badcoe(ex Publisher, Business & Technology)? I know Next is isn't run out of someone's back yard garage, but surely it's withing the same complex... It actually reminds me of a an Australian Publication, Silicon Chip, that virtually started out in a garage-sized office space. Same thing with another called Cut Throat Cheats over here in Perth, but they later collapsed when the artist and one writer left. It's quite strange as a child when you envisage magazines like Hyper to be the gospel, when in reality it's just everyday people running the things. BTW - Did Elliot pass on the message?
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. GBA
could i play us games on a aussie cube? If u cant there is no pont importing is there?? zarevz replies:
However most people import not just the games themselves, but also the consoles(at this point in time).
Also the Aus cube hasn't been released yet(again at this point in time).
quote:
Originally posted by zarevz:
This is an excerpt from a 'White Paper' (Tech Document) published by Microsoft. I think it reflects the standard of their products quite nicely. Classic.RootDirSectors = ((BPB_RootEntCnt * 32) + (BPB_BytsPerSec – 1)) / BPB_BytsPerSec;
TmpVal1 = DskSize – (BPB_ResvdSecCnt + RootDirSectors);
TmpVal2 = (256 * BPB_SecPerClus) + BPB_NumFATs;
If(FATType == FAT32)
TmpVal2 = TmpVal2 / 2;
FATSz = (TMPVal1 + (TmpVal2 – 1)) / TmpVal2;
If(FATType == FAT32) {
BPB_FATSz16 = 0;
BPB_FATSz32 = FATSz;
} else {
BPB_FATSz16 = LOWORD(FATSz);
/* there is no BPB_FATSz32 in a FAT16 BPB */
}Do not spend too much time trying to figure out why this math works. The basis for the computation
is complicated; the important point is that this is how Microsoft operating systems do it, and it works.
Note, however, that this math does not work perfectly.
jobbidiar replies:
Care factor = 0 Hercy replies:
Pretentious factor = several million. zarevz replies:
Read it again, but you don't have to read the code. Prince Underpants[vKm]725 replies:
RootDirSectors = ((BPB_RootEntCnt * 32) + (BPB_BytsPerSec – 1)) / BPB_BytsPerSec;
TmpVal1 = DskSize – (BPB_ResvdSecCnt + RootDirSectors);
TmpVal2 = (256 * BPB_SecPerClus) + BPB_NumFATs;
If(BREAKfast == FROOTLOOPS32)
Gensis = 725;
zarevz = (Gensis + (Steve'O – 1)) / Dreamer;
If(KORNFLAKES != FROOTLOOPS) {
ELLIOT = 0ff;
PHONE_MSG32 = false;
} else {
BPB_FATSz16 = LOWORD(FATSz);
/* there is no BPB_FATSz32 in a FAT16 BPB */
}
I don't get it??zarevz replies:
PU - The code is there because the paragraph below is referring to it, the joke isn't in the code. Rednose replies:
On the contrary, zarevz. LOL@PU
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[*] Ban list
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Originally posted by XMAN:
PIE, I have a great job and heaps of cash, I have a sexy wife and have sex every nite, I have 2 great kids, I go out when ever I want to, I have well over $20,000 worth of assets.
quote:
Originally posted by Genesis725:
30 is what a TV usually runs at and when it is at 60 then it is a whole lot better, but the TV doesn't actually show all 60 frams in a second because an interlaced TV can only show 30 frames per second. In TV's of this day that don't run interlaced 60 frames a second is much more visible so it will look a million times better when running on a newer TV at ACTUAL 60 frames per second.David
quote:
Originally posted by Genesis725:
Yeah i've got a 68cm Trinitron sitting in my lounge room... they friggen rock for games!The RGB composite imput is amazing for quality... it isn't SUCH a leap above S-Video but it's still noticable!!!
quote:
Originally posted by Jaymo on the topic of s"picel (sic)" arrangement:
I hear 480i is vertical and 480p is honeycomb.
However I think Im wrong. someone please fill me in.
your Help would be appreciated zarevz replies:
As in TVs???
If so, then the i stands for interlaced and this means (effectively) that there needs to be two frames drawn to get a full image. Sonic replies:
480i doesnt exist to my knowledge.. if it does, then it is a standard TV that everyone has been useing for ages in the US (Our telly's are 576 not 480 verticle lines) 480P is a progressive display (Hence the P not I which stands for Progrssive not Interlaced) it displays both fields at the same time (Known as a frame) rather than 1 field after another (A field being half a whole image, this creats flicker) Want me to explain more? it would take MANY hours to explain.. BTW Australias official HD TV standard will be 1080i - 1920x1080 interlaced.
quote:
Originally posted by Sonic:
Erm, the only problem with 100hz is that it repeat's fields giving you jitter... DNM uses the repeat to do interpolation hence getting rid of it.100hz doesnt actualy do anything to the image.. And spending 2500 on a standard TV just for size is pretty crazy imo. aLl YrOu PcItuRe QuAolIty aRe BeLoneG tO sONny! I did quite a bit of research considering this is the second TV we have ever bought.. And it costs a fortune too, so I wasnt going to just throw that ammount of money away.. I do feel sorry for you spending 2 and a half grand on a normal TV.. Thats alot of money to spend on a TV while you "wait" for HD spec's to come up to scratch (Which is a good idea as current HD TV's suck pretty bad..) DJ Fusion replies:
If you call a 32 inch Trinitron Widescreen a normal TV then pfft you're a goose dude.
quote:
Originally posted by Sonic:
If your spending that much money you would be an idiot not to get the TV I did, it uses the Falconic chip (Invented by Philips) to do real time interpolation, it allso does Digital Scan and Line Doubling, the end result is an image thats equal to progressive scan except it has double the framerate...The model I bought has since been pulled off the market as they want to put it only in there high end TV's as a selling point, but the features name is DNM if you wanna look for it... DJ Fusion replies:
And how much was yours then? Sonic replies:
Mine was 2400 (knocked down from 2500) with an extra 3 years waranty 2480
The new model will cost 3k+ and the only other model that has it costs 7ish grand and is a 92cm widescreen. DJ Fusion replies:
So it's only 29" not 32"..? Sonic replies:
Yeah, 68cm 4:3 or 92cm 16:9 are the only 2 model's available that have this feature. DJ Fusion replies:
No thanks. Sonic replies:
I kinda feel sorry for DJ Fusion wanting that little bit of extra screen when he's not really getting that much extra screen and it wont be doubling his framerate or giving him a near/better-than progressive image quality.. His choice though.
quote:
Originally posted by X MAN:
Go with a PIIII dude, 64 bit arc compared to 32, think about it.
But think about this, you want to play games right?
Save your money and get XBOX, it will make ALL PC gaming look like a Dreamcast game.
quote:
Originally posted by Danny boy on an old ODWF ban list being restored:
Yeah well... ummm... errr... *looks down and draws circles in the dirt with his toe* Ya see I was kinda on that old list... but I don't know why!!! I was never informed that I'd done anything wrong and then one day, poof, (no disrespect to GCF there), I tried to post and received the message that my IP was banned, naturally that made me a very sad panda 'cos I was a regular poster here and was on good terms with most of the members, I felt like I was part of this dedicated and spirited little community and then suddenly it was as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced as my days posting here came to an abrupt halt! After that I was forced to seek refuge at another message board and let me tell you, that place was the absolute pits, you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany, it was terrible!
quote:
Originally posted by Froggy:
MMmmmmm girl I like, want to get, having trouble, need a novel way to get her attention and affection! lol. Anyone got any proven ideas or methods! I'm all out, so I can't ask my friends coz i don't want them to have any idea that i'm planning something.ruslah 4:69 replies:
hehe... i wouldnt have a clue mate. Im to shy myself, so i have to rely on a girl to ask me out. Its sad really, cause i know for a fact that alot of chicks like me, but im way to shy to do anything about it. How do i know she is ready to be hit on? Megaman replies:
That's when you need your wingman to keep an eye on her, and let you know when to move in. It's like Top Gun. Corey replies:
My experience is that friendship turns to love. Relax and just be friends. E-102 Gamma replies:
Worst. Advice. Ever. Megaman replies:
Don't follow Corey's advice, it's crap. You just need to get this girl good and drunk. Froggy replies:
eh I was out with her on Sunday night and she was drunk....just I didn't do anything about it! I usually don't act until I'm sure. So I'm not sure now. It's hard to determine the looks Megaman replies:
OK then you need to get yourself good and drunk. X MAN replies:
Ok, what you do is, this is very hard to do mind you, but it never fails for me, you go up to her and ask her out for dinner, a movie, what ever. You see, I have 100% figured out women, they want just want we want, dont be shy, Im sure she wont say no. Trust me, to this day I have never had a girl say no, they want us to ask them ruslah 4:69 replies:
1 out of 1 aint bad X MAN replies:
Women are more up front than men, its true, my wife asked me out and did not even know her name, she just came out with it. BlitZ ZvieN replies:
Hookers usually have that approach.. its called making a sale. X MAN continues:
Dont let her go, if you wait to long it may be to late. Although I am happy with my wife, I did have a chance with one hell of a babe, and I do mean babe but waited to long. Billy the InternetStalker replies:
email me her personal details at billytheinternetstalker@hotmail.com i'll have a talk to her for you Lord cletusvader replies:
Buy stuff for her...tell her lies and get her drunk.Let her do something so pathetic and embarrassing that she feels honored you would show her any attention at all. If that doesnt work,go for a single girl in her late twenties/early thirties....they're just about all desperate for sex and a story.
quote:
Originally posted by Megaman about Online Relationships:
There have to be about one million better places to meet ladies than on the internet.MiGiSHu replies:
None of those places include nightclubs or strip joints... Megaman replies:
Well I dunno about strip joints, but what's wrong with nightclubs? MiGiSHu replies:
Nothing to do. Alcohol has a lasting effect of 2 seconds. The rest of the night is boring... Megaman replies:
Mate you're obviously not drinking enough! Originally posted by X MAN:
My wifes brother meet some girl from Canida, they are now married and all is going well. unfnknblvbl replies:
You'd know all about "Canadian" stuff then, wouldn't you mate?
quote:
Originally posted by ruslah 4:69:
One of my mates is building up a Datto 1600 as a Competition/Show car, and he wants to hook up a DC to his little telly. He knows how to do all this, but he was wondering if there was any way of getting on the net. Like, instead of using a land line, can you get on the net using a Mobile Phone?segadylan replies:
The Nokia 9210 has a modem in it. The 8210 (my phone) has a 9.6k data facility, and the 8250 has a 14.4 data facility. These act as modems basically. If you hooked a data suite cable from the phone's terminal to an IRDA hub, you have in effect the mobile acting as a server. The DC, using a BBA, not a modem, could connect to a compatible IRDA device, which will send signals to the phone. The phone, which is connected to your ISP, will simply act as a secondary regulator of the data. The problem with this is imcompatibility with some ISP's, as most only use TCP/IP, which would require the phone to have an appropriate programme. This could be transferred onto a writable sim-card, so long as the application was small enough, which I seriously doubt. This would need to be installed on the IRDA hub, and the phone would simply relay data. It is definitely possible, but potentially quite expensive.
quote:
Originally posted by doctor:
dc is not dead there is 50 games coming out next alone and they are starting to build dc's ,i here again.
quote:
Originally posted by n_drew:
Anyway, I just received the darn number and have placed my order.I'm getting the US DC, Sonic Adventure, and Resident Evil 2. Getting Soul Calibur for $40 new at Blockbuster and Blue Stinger for $20 at EB. Man I can't wait! If my doctoral thesis got screwed up because of all these gaming it's all of YOUR fault! All 1600 (minus me) of you! Thanks guys for all your help and guidance! Captain Obvious replies:
hay ndrew you said you doing a docteral thesis?! wat unerversity are you at?! i want to do a unerversity digree when i finish shcool but dad said it wood cost to much if i did a digree i wood be hppy liek this <:-) n_drew replies:
Oi Captain - I'm at Sydney Uni.
Do a uni degree man, not just for academic's sake! I had so much fun in the first year with all my new drinking buddies etc etc! We did so much $hit together - drinks, sports, girls etc etc. And of course we passed our first year quite alright. I reckon Uni's social life is way too under-rated. Buddies you make at Uni will be your "contacts" for life. HECS can be a biatch but you can opt to pay later. Beleieve it or not, I'm already on my 8th year in Uni! Oh yeah, do well at your HSC and you'll be invited to be a scholarship recipient. There's quite a number of scholarships available. Never be afraid to apply for them, eventhough you think you're not qualified. Darn, I'm getting paid to write this message during my work time! Captain Obvious replies:
wow you did girls toogether?!?! hwo do you do that?!!? one day dad siad id haev a grilfriend but till then mum said i didnt need won becuse she wood bee my girlfreind n_drew replies:
Mate, how old are you by the way?
Rule of thumb #1: Mum is not and never will be your girlfriend! (sorry!) When I said that we "did" girls, we meant that we *er-hum* were doing the honey-and-the-bee thingy. More importantly, do you know what you'd like to study at uni? Captain Obvious replies:
im 9 but i will be 10 in about 7 months why cant mum be my girlfriend shes a girl adn my firend isnt she?! i was thinking that i want to studey somthing liek sycology (is that how u spell that?) i herd that there is a unerversity called unerversity of new south wales is that because it is in new south wales?!! is that a good palce to go? n_drew replies:
The subject is "psychology". Do you know what this area is all about? University of NSW is located in *guess* NSW! So you got that right mate!. It's located in Kensington, Sydney. About 10-15 minutes away from Sydney University. Over time, when you've been through primary school and high school eventually, you'll know which subjects are your favourites. You may then choose an area of study (such as psychology) at Uni. To study psychology, you have to enrol under Bachelor of Arts I think. Good luck! Captain Obvious replies:
dad said psychoology was all about rats and stuff runing aroudn in mazes nad dogs that dribble and birds thta pres s lever things and peeple who are crazy is this troo? n_drew replies:
Your dad is half-right. Though in psychology we study HUMAN's (rather than rats and dogs) behaviour in general. Captain Obvious replies:
so do yuo just look at peeple then or what aria do you do?! n_drew replies:
Tell you what. Send me an email at ndrew@bigpond.net.au and I'll respond further. DeadGoon replies:
ROFLMOL HE'S BACK!!! Welcome back Captain Obvious. Ahh man u r funny! n_drew replies:
Hmmm....I hope I'm not being duped here?! Captain Obvious replies:
your not trying to reed my mind r u?!?! isnt that wat psychologysts do!? anyway dad said that after teh thing with Stevey and our dog i wasnt alloud to emai l peeple i dont know
quote:
Originally posted by Jaymo:
When I get my Cube it'll be 8 bit cause Im getting another controller, 2 games and 2 memcards.Dragonblade replies:
2 memory cards for a maximum of 3 games Jaymo replies:
no dragonblade.......Im getting 2 to fill up the ports so it looks sexier.(no sarcasm)
quote:
Originally posted by Prince Underpants:
<<the pool room>>n_drew replies:
Hmm... I was rather hoping that THAT thread wouldn't surface ever again....it still traumatises me til this day... segadylan:
Umm, I gave some advice on mobile networking and your calling me a liar??? Well, Nokia must be wrong mustn't they? Because as you can see from the post, all that I wrote was based on what I read on the Nokia site. And hell, if they don't know about mobile networking then I don't know who the **** does. Prince Underpants, you're a ****wit. And, in the case of your disrespect of me and my helpful post, you're also wrong. I suggest you visit the Nokia site before posting bullcrap like this again. Megaman replies:
Umm, I gave some advice on online relationships and your calling me a liar??? Well, Dolly must be wrong mustn't they? Because as you can see from the post, all that I wrote was based on what I read in Dolly magazine. And hell, if they don't know about online relationships then I don't know who the **** does. Prince Underpants, you're a ****wit. And, in the case of your disrespect of me and my helpful post, you're also wrong. I suggest you visit the Dolly website before posting bullcrap like this again. Vzzzbx replies:
PU, just so you know, this bloke is always right, and everyone else is always wrong. There's no point in having an opinion of your own, because that'll be wrong too. BigTheCat replies:
I was excited to see you back PU. You dissapointed me. BTW how long did it take you to post that??? Your only accomplishment was getting flamed. You have no life. Prince Underpants replies:
I have no life? I have a sexy wife and have sex everynite. I go out whenever I want to and have over $20,000 of assets. By the way, it took about 20 seconds to make that post... Faraday replies:
Its not his fault the Forum is overrun by Stupidity. BigTheCat replies:
Ok this forum has gone down the drain a little. So???? Why does he have to come down here and tell us himself? He have eyes, we can read, let us make our own decisions. No-one from the ODWF has gone down to Playnow and said how crappy that board is have they??? Because they know it's best to leave them alone. And they are right. Megaman replies:
Actually, Prince Underpants regularly posts Pool Room selections over at PlayNOW!. Faraday replies:
>>Ok this forum has gone down the drain a little. A little? >>Why does he have to come down here and tell us himself? Cause he can and has every right to. >>He have eyes, we can read, let us make our own decisions. So you can say what you want about the Forum but he can't? >>No-one from the ODWF has gone down to Playnow and said how crappy that board is have they??? Yes, As Megaman has said. PU himself does it on a much more regular basis then he does here. Candy Arse replies:
hahahaha.
ODWF goof's always seem to have a cry when threads like this arise. You guys should be proud! You are now enshrined in what is a Hall Of Fame for idiots. Jaymo replies:
hmmm..... thats not what I posted.
this is what I posted http://www.dreamcast.com.au/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000135.html
I didn't put digital TV in the topic. Prince Underpants replies:
would you be happy if I took out the word "digital" then?
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